As mention yesterday and a reminder for our inner club build on September 15, 1/48 4th Fighter Group Build. You can build any aircraft from the list below in the correct markings or any Air Force equipment used by those units in 1/48 scale.
History complied by Ben Brown.
4th TFW Aircraft
Hurricane Mk.I
Hurricane Mk.IIb
Spitfire Mk.II
Spitfire Mk.Vb
Spitfire Mk.IX (336th FS only, fall 1942)
P-47C
P-47D
P-51B
P-51D
P-47N (ex-56th FG, when 4th reactivated at Selfridge AFB in 1946)
P-80A
F-86A
F-86E
F-86F
F-86H (ex-83rd Fighter-Day Wing when wing moved to SJAFB)
F-100C
F-100F
F-105B
F-105D
F-105F
F-4D
F-4E
F-15E
Other SJAFB aircraft
C-47 Korean War squadron hack (s.n. 42-23398)
482nd FIS 1956-1965
F-102A
TF-102A
171st FIS MI ANG
F-4C/D
68th Bombardment Wing, Heavy
B-52G
KC-135A
916th Air Refueling Wing
KC-10A
T-38A
911th Air Force Reserve Squadron
KC-135R
23rd FG (27 June 2000 – 18 August 2006, operating out of Pope AFB)
A-10A
I'll build a F-102,I found a picture on page 30 of the In Action book of the 102.Two questions:Are there any decals of this plane? serial # 70832 and is this plane a case X wing or a case XX wing,can't tell from the picture in the squadron book as it's cropped right at the wing tip.
spanky
Spanky,
F-102A: Aircraft serial numbers 53-1790 through 56-1316 Case X wing
F-102A: Serial numbers 56-1317 through 57-0909 Case XX wing
So your airplane is a Case XX (twenty - curved down) wing.
Lee K
Ryan,
Is everyone claiming a certain subject? Are we keeping a master list of who is doing what? Are any already claimed?
Lee K
Quote from: Lee_K on Mon 03/18/13 12:08 PM
Ryan,
Is everyone claiming a certain subject? Are we keeping a master list of who is doing what? Are any already claimed?
Lee K
There was a discussion about the list yesterday for our contest and possibility of having a club entry at the Nats in '14 in VA. So I re posted the list. There is no restrictions on the club contest and no need to claim a subject. As for the Nats, it was an idea floated. If someone wants to manager the list for the Nats, let me know.
Ryan, Are there any prizes for the 4th Fighter Group Build in September? In the past, there's always been something. I personally think Lee's idea for somebody being the coordinator of the build is a good one. Lee would be a good coordinator, if he has time. We have a lot of excellent builders in this club. If there is any interest in either a club entrant or a club display at Va Beach in 2014, this project should be coordinated. At least can we talk about it at the next meeting? Woody G.
Quote from: WoodyG on Mon 03/18/13 01:47 PM
Lee would be a good coordinator, if he has time.
I appreciate the opportunity, but at the moment time is pretty scarce for me. I have worked 76 days straight, 14 hours a day, and there doesn't appear to be any sign of let-up for at least another three months. The next club meeting I hope to attend is September, but even right now that isn't sure. January to July 2014 is shaping up to be the same, unfortunately. I would recommend that another capable club member take the point on this.
Lee K
Quote from: Lee_K on Mon 03/18/13 04:44 PM
Quote from: WoodyG on Mon 03/18/13 01:47 PM
Lee would be a good coordinator, if he has time.
I appreciate the opportunity, but at the moment time is pretty scarce for me. I have worked 76 days straight, 14 hours a day, and there doesn't appear to be any sign of let-up for at least another three months. The next club meeting I hope to attend is September, but even right now that isn't sure. January to July 2014 is shaping up to be the same, unfortunately. I would recommend that another capable club member take the point on this.
Lee K
Ouch Lee. You are a busy man. Ryan or Woody if you need a coordinator I can volunteer. I have one extra day off per week until September;)
Quote from: Bill L2 on Tue 03/19/13 09:16 AM
Ouch Lee. You are a busy man. Ryan or Woody if you need a coordinator I can volunteer. I have one extra day off per week until September;)
Congrats Bill, you are the POC on this build. I don't think most folks are far in their builds if they were doing one, so however you think best to set this up is fine by me.
Quote from: Ryan K on Tue 03/19/13 09:19 AM
Quote from: Bill L2 on Tue 03/19/13 09:16 AM
Ouch Lee. You are a busy man. Ryan or Woody if you need a coordinator I can volunteer. I have one extra day off per week until September;)
Congrats Bill, you are the POC on this build. I don't think most folks are far in their builds if they were doing one, so however you think best to set this up is fine by me.
10-4 Ryan.
Quote from: Spanky on Mon 03/18/13 08:42 AM
I'll build a F-102,I found a picture on page 30 of the In Action book of the 102.Two questions:Are there any decals of this plane? serial # 70832 and is this plane a case X wing or a case XX wing,can't tell from the picture in the squadron book as it's cropped right at the wing tip.
spanky
Spanky, there aren't any decals for 482nd F-102s in 1/48. Fortunately, they just has a red lightning bolt on the tail that looks easy to mask. The squadron badge might be a problem, but I've found pics of their jets that look like they might have sometimes had ADC badges on both sides of the tail, or sometimes no badges at all.
HTH.
Ben
Thanks for volunteering, Bill. I'd like to build the Spitfire IX, but at this moment I can't commit as I haven't touched a model in three months and it may be another three before I get the chance.
Lee K
Havn't chosen anything yet but I have a P-51D, P-80 and a F-4C/D. My AF material is nil, does anyone have any photos for the schemes and possible decals for those three airframes?
I saw wiki had this...anymore?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/4thfightergroup-p51ds-1944.jpg/220px-4thfightergroup-p51ds-1944.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/4thfightergroup-p51d-336fs-1944.jpg/220px-4thfightergroup-p51d-336fs-1944.jpg)
Ryan, there were a couple of companies that had decals for 4th FG P-51Ds. The national insignia and codes from the Superscale ones I used for my B and D were too small.
P-80A: You'll have to use Gerry Asher's P-80A-5 conversion for the Monogram kit and piece together the decals. The conversion is pretty simple. New cockpit, vac canopy, and a small resin piece to move the windscreen aft.
F-4D: Superscale had some for Yeager's jet, or you could piece together some markings using some of the other old Microscale sheets that had SA/SB/SC tail codes.
Ben
Ben: Thanks for the help on the P47. If I can avoid it,I would rather not do a natural metal scheme. Could you please give me some help where I could find some decals for 4th Fighter Group P47D Razorbacks or Bubbletops? If I have to do an N I will; I have 6 P47s i their boxes. Thanks, Woody G.
Hi Woody,
Eagle Strike 48-273 has what you need. It also has Spitfires. There's one on eBay right now:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eagle-Strike-48-273-Spitfires-and-P-47Cs-/250999577795?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item3a70bd9cc3
Ben
Ryan, the top picture of the P-51D with the yellow is not a 4th FG plane: It is a 52nd FG plane in Italy. The 52nd has the same code letters as the 4th FG (WD, QP, VF). The bottom picture is of a 4th FG Mustang.
Woody, Aeromaster sheet 48-392 has early P-47s of the 4th FG:
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scott/decals/aero/am48392.htm
Also, if you have a P-51B kit, there were lots of those in Olive Drab and Neutral Gray in the 4th FG, and there are decals around for them. The most famous is Gentile's "Shangri-La."
Lots of 4th FG WW2 pics here:
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=4
I plan to build a Monogram 1/48 F-86F in a late-war Korean "police action" scheme with some Aeromaster decals.
Cheers,
Lee G.
Thanks Lee, I always like to double check wiki if possible.
That is some great photos in the link.
I think I am going to try to do Maj. Fred W "Freddie" Glover P-51D-5-NA 44-13317 VF-B without the logo assuming it can be done with the Tamiya P-51D 8th AF boxing.
http://www.4thfightergroupassociation.org/uploads/8/2/0/3/8203817/gloverfweba.pdf
(http://www.markstyling.com/p51s/p51dcu.08.jpg)
Hi Ryan,
Superscale sheet 48-675 has Glover's markings for 44-64153:
http://i43.servimg.com/u/f43/12/33/15/08/super_11.jpg
http://i43.servimg.com/u/f43/12/33/15/08/super_12.jpg
Looks like Superscale sheet 48-400 has Glover's markings for the same a/c:
http://modelingmadness.com/others/decals/baltrinichss48400.htm
Yes, the Tamiya P-51D 8th AF kit with the fin fillet is perfect.
Lee G.
Thanks Lee.
Lee G and Ben Brown: Thank you for the info guys. I found some 4th Fighter Group decals on Sprue Bros made by Eagle Strike. They look nice so I ordered them. I'm now doing Getiles P51b and a P47d. Great to see you are going to be doing a 1/48th scale, Lee. Cheers, Woody G.
Guys, I would like to do the KC-135A or R version. Italeri has a 1/72 scale kit but the kit does not come with either of the 4FG markings. Sprue Brothers has the decals listed on their site but are out of stock. Anybody have a kit and or decals that they would be willing to part with?
Thanks
RonV
Change of plans here,instead of doing a F-102 I shall be building a F-15E Strike Eagle.
spanky
I found a KC-135A Heller kit at the Hobbit. The decals are available on ebay for $21, I think I'll wait on the decals to see if a deal comes up.
RonV
hey guys, since I'am such a slow builder and have something else under way at the time , I would like to add p-51d "Suzon" buzz WDM to the pile if thats ok. clyde
Sounds like everyone is off to a great start with their choice of aircraft and markings. Lets see some more! I have not locked in a subject yet but I am leaning toward a Spitfire.
(http://www.markstyling.com/p51s/p51dcu.08.jpg)
On this scheme does it make sense to paint the white, then blue, then red, then Alcad or Alcad, then white, then blue, then red or is a different order better?
I have the Revell F-15E but it doesn't have any weapons except for the missiles.I thought Revell did a boxing with all or most of the various weapons carried on this plane.So,does anyone have any extra bombs and such that they aren't going to use.That plane looks nekkid not all bomed up.
spanky
Ryan, if I were doing this airplane, I would put down the silver first ,then the little white stripe,next red, then the blue.a very important point, make sure the model is absolutely clean from finger prints and such because with all that masking, there is lots of opportunities to lift the silver. hope this helps. clyde
Quote from: ClydeM on Mon 03/25/13 10:16 AM
Ryan, if I were doing this airplane, I would put down the silver first ,then the little white stripe,next red, then the blue.a very important point, make sure the model is absolutely clean from finger prints and such because with all that masking, there is lots of opportunities to lift the silver. hope this helps. clyde
Clyde,
I am not going to paint the logo, I will use decals for that. I was referring to the overall paint scheme. I thought with the red and maybe blue, a white base coat would make it look better.
Sorry for any confusion.
Ryan, Are there going to be any awards, maybe gift certificates like before, for the September 4th Fighter Group Build voted on by the club? Woody G.
Ryan, if you are going to do a natural metal finish, my suggestion would be to decant Tamiya AS12 from the spray can. This way, with your air brush, you can control the spray unlike a rattle can. Paint at about 15 psi and it will go on so smooth you won't believe it. No primer, just make sure you have the plastic clean and shiny. I do mine with 2400 grit through 12,000. I will loan them to you if you need them. Your suggestion of white to make red and yellow show up better is absolutely right. Sounds like you know what you're doing, should be a pretty bird. YOu will be shocked at how good that Tamiya AS12 looks on an airplane. Good luck, Woody G.
as mentioned, he was going to use alclad, not a rattle can. and no, on silver he won't need a white base coat to enhance the red and blue. it want make any differance unlike painting yellow prop tips or something of that nature. hope this doesn't confuse you further. just make sure to put a base coat on before the alclad as you will end up with a gooy mess otherwise. clyde
BillL2: If you're going to do a Spitfire Mark VB, I just got some decals today 4th Fighter Group with 2 Spitfires on it. If you would like them, I'll bring them to the meeting. Let me know. Woody G.
Clyde, Just trying to give him another way out, since I have had so much trouble with Alclad for years. I think Tamiya AS12 and Phil Hale's way are much easier and pretty much bullet-proof, as evidenced by your work on natural metal. Cheers, Woody G.
Thanks for the painting tips.
What's the difference between a P-51D NA -5,-10 and -20?
Ryan, in regard to the question on the NA-5 and NA20, probably Inglewood built and Dallas built along with some subtle panel differances. I'am no expert but I do know there were differances in the panels on top of the wings from WW2 till Korea. know body but the most ardent mustangafile is going to notice so I wouldn't sweat it. clyde
Quote from: WoodyG on Mon 03/25/13 06:52 PM
BillL2: If you're going to do a Spitfire Mark VB, I just got some decals today 4th Fighter Group with 2 Spitfires on it. If you would like them, I'll bring them to the meeting. Let me know. Woody G.
Oh that would be great Woody. I am glad you told me this. I was just getting ready to buy some from Sprue Bros. I am going to use the Tamiya MKVB 1/48 scale kit.
Quote from: WoodyG on Mon 03/25/13 04:42 PM
Ryan, Are there going to be any awards, maybe gift certificates like before, for the September 4th Fighter Group Build voted on by the club? Woody G.
Thats a great idea Woody. We can talk with Ryan about it at the next meeting.
Ryan, apoun further review, there appears to be some other differances on the p-51s. if it is real important to you, I suggest you go to IPMS Stockholm.ORG modelers guide to late p-51 mustang variants. Woody had some good advice on the paint so along with what I suggested you can do a good job. unless you need more useless advice , I'am out. clyde
Maybe my last question, I have not studied the instructions but are the color call outs correct?
Not the same boxing but should be close.
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10031546z/70/1
Any things that I should use or avoid? Paper tanks, cuff props, exhaust types, tire types...etc again not a P-51 expert and only heard enough to be dangerous.
the color call outs are correct for the interior. the xf-3:2 xf-5:1 are basically interior green. the paper tanks are for european theatre only. they are hard to build well because of seam issues. there were some resin tanks at one time but I don't know how to find them. maybe some one else can advise. the 75 gallon metal tanks are also ok but check your source. cuffed props are good, but isn't that your only option in the kit? hope this helps, clyde ps the metal tanks are not provided , so put out an sos to club members.
Ryan, pps. on your picture, uncuffed exausts are indecated.
Clyde,
Thanks for the info. Not 100% sure what is in the kit just researching before starting. Will look it over soon.
I have put together a roster for the 4th Fighter Group club build. This information was compiled from the April meeting. The models will be displayed at our September meeting. This a fun non-competitive build designed to highlight the history of the 4th FG and the amazing aircraft the group has flown through the years. This is not a closed roster so any club member who wants to participate can jump on in at any time.
William Lumbattis: Tamiya 1/48 scale Spitfire MKVB. "Stinky" Lt Duane Beeson. 334 FS Debden
Lee Griffin: 1/48 scale F-86/F-30. Late war. Pilot Clyde Curtin
Ronnie Murray: 1/48 th scale P-47, 1/32 scale P-51. Pilot Duane Beeson
Spanky: 1/48 scale F-15E
Bill O: 1/48 F-4 C/G Mich NG/TF 102
Clyde: P-51 D, P-51 B "The Deacon."
Mika: Spitfire MKVB 4TH FG markings
Woody: 1/48 P-51B. Pilot Don Gentile. 1/48 scale P-47D. "Miss Dallas"
Tony: Hurricane MK II
Ryan: P-51D. Pilot Maj Glover
Have a great time building and feel free to post pics of your model as you move along!
I claim the Hurricane IIb
Hey, I'm doing the KC135A.
FYI Fayetteville will not be doing the club competition this year. Not sure of the reason why?
RonV
Ron,the reason LSM is not doing the "Styrene Cup" this year is because of lack of participation last year.
Fayetteville had the only entry last year with the Marine Corps anniversary group build.
spanky
4th FG Build update:
William Lumbattis: Tamiya 1/48 scale Spitfire MKVB. "Stinky" Lt Duane Beeson. 334 FS Debden
Lee Griffin: 1/48 scale F-86/F-30. Late war. Pilot Clyde Curtin
Ronnie Murray: 1/48 th scale P-47, 1/32 scale P-51. Pilot Duane Beeson
Spanky: 1/48 scale F-15E
Bill O: 1/48 F-4 C/G Mich NG/TF 102
Clyde: P-51 D, P-51 B "The Deacon."
Mika: Spitfire MKVB 4TH FG markings
Woody: 1/48 P-51B. Pilot Don Gentile. 1/48 scale P-47D. "Miss Dallas"
Ryan: P-51D. Pilot Maj Glover
Tony Leger Hurricane IIb
Ron V KC 135
William F-86
Lee K F-100C
Looking like a great club build!
I'm in for the F-100C with guidance from Ben.
Lee K
Sounds good Lee.
hi Bill
you have me twice on the list... just keep the IIb
Ok Tony. Fixed
Well just checking in on the club members who are participating in the 4th FG build. We are counting down to September and hopefully everbody is making progress on the builds. I am getting ready to start painting my Spitfire and I am excited to see how the other club members are doing.
The F-100 has its wings on, the bombs are assembled, and all the landing gear pieces have been cleaned up. Barring unforeseen circumstances, it should be ready for September.
Lee K
I have cut plastic and might have some paint (not exterior) on soon.
Outstanding Lee and Ryan. Sounds like you two are moving right along. Cant wait to see.
I'll be starting my build this week. There were too many other things on the table (models and other stuff) that needed to be finished first.
RonV
My F-100C is done. It's a very striking 1950s USAF scheme that looks great. Pictures will posted in the next couple of days.
Lee K
BillL2: My P51B and my P47 Razorback are completed, will bring them in on the 15th. Cheers, WoodyG
Lee and Woody that sounds great. I know you both have done an outstanding job. How is everbody else doing? We are only a couple weeks out and the September meeting should be a good one. My spitfire is about done. All painting is complete and I just need to assemble and flat coat.
Quote from: Bill L2 on Sat 09/07/13 06:49 AMWe are only a couple weeks out and the September meeting should be a good one.
Bill,
It's next weekend. Not looking as good as it was a month ago.
Painting about done on the F-4. Decals and final assembly next.