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Title: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 04/22/15 01:32 PM
I am hoping to finish mine as a 2nd Recon, 10th Cav, 7th Inf Div tank. I am going with the tank behind this one as that matches the kit a little easier.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_11.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_11.jpg.html)

I have the AFV tracks assembled for painting then will add the pads.  Have the kit tracks as a comparison. Currently at 74 links per side. I have 12 links left over (8 are good, 4 where bent) I did these in sections of tens and two in 14 link sections. It broke up the task and went pretty fast. I only removed the flash that was in the way of clicking the links together. I will clean up the rest before painting.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_8.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_8.jpg.html)

I have drilled out a number of vision ports in the cupola and removed the plastic for the periscopes. I will replace that plastic with clear resin from the Loon set.

The .50 cal post has had 3 locations, right side of the cupola, left side of the cupola (the kit location) and the left side of cupola rear.

You can see option 1 and 3 here
(http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/m41_10.jpg)

Option 2 as provided in the kit
(http://www.cybermodeler.com/armor/m41/images/fwa_m41_cdr_hatch2.jpg)

I have removed the raised area around the loaders hatch and .50 cal post.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_10.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_10.jpg.html)

I was going to putty the welds and even made I tool for it but the taping became a mess for me so I am going to try the Archer weld set (will update with which set later when I have that info)
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_9.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_9.jpg.html)

M41 have 3 types/position of the aux exhaust. None as given in the kit, piped out to right and rear and piped out left and front (where the pioneer tools are located).
I decided to drilled out the aux exhaust hole.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_12.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_12.jpg.html)

What I did to remove was to add tape to know my limits mainly underneath. I drilled 3 small holes in the front all the way through.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_13.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_13.jpg.html)
Then flipped it over and drilled three holes straight up but only going a little bit not all the way through.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_6.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_6.jpg.html)
I used an X-cato to play connect the dots and remove the center piece and trim the sides. Also used a small metal file to remove some more plastic.

I have trimmed it up some more but basically you have this at the end.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_7.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_7.jpg.html)

All references photos came from links post in the Tips thread link (http://www.old.ipmseaglesquadron.org/restored_forum/index.php?topic=1463.msg7031)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Lee_K on Wed 04/22/15 05:43 PM
Hey!  Is that a Grand Phoenix FJ-4B Fury I see in the background of those workbench shots?

Oh wait -- no.  Didn't think so....
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 04/22/15 09:01 PM
Quote from: Lee_K on Wed 04/22/15 05:43 PM
Hey!  Is that a Grand Phoenix FJ-4B Fury I see in the background of those workbench shots?

Oh wait -- no.  Didn't think so....

:(
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Thu 04/23/15 09:08 AM
I have yet to build a tank, so I'm following along.

Were the AFV tracks that much better?  What did they cost? Are they rubber as opposed to the kit plastic ones? or are the kit tracks also rubber?  No clue here.  ;)

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 04/23/15 02:24 PM
I think they are better. Better detail, pads are separated for easier painting. The Afv tracks are plastic, the kit is rubber. You should be able to find under $20. They also have a rubber band version that is around $10. Should also be better then the kits if you want to make a change.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sat 04/25/15 03:51 PM
Bill,
I have decided to try the AFV tracks (my first effort with single link).  Mine were about $15 online.  They are the individual links with the rubber insert as a separate section.  The feel like a soft plastic - I have been able to assemble in sections of 10 links each by using a small set of needle nose pliers.

There is a fair amount of flash, but I don't recommend trying to remove it prior to assembly - where it is located, you run a very good risk of cutting off the assembly pins for the link.

Currently I have between 6 - 8 links that are either malformed (missing part of the link) or an outer section bent.  The bent ones may be able to be corrected with gentle bending in the opposite direction.

I am currently painting mine steel and then applying the rubber pads.

If you looked at the early kit model I brought to the meeting on Sunday, the kit tracks (treads) while being one piece have good detail, go together well (the attachment pins can be melted with a hot knife or screwdriver carefully and do not show) and will present a good look on the vehicle.

Best of luch with which ever direction you go.

Regards,
Steve

PS - Make sure you refer to the box art and pics from Ryan so that you get the tracks on in the proper direction - my first assembly had them on backwards - rather embarrassing.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: NormSon on Sun 04/26/15 12:00 PM
Squadron has Trumpeter tracks on sale for under $10, sale ends tonight.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Mon 04/27/15 08:00 AM
@Steve, not sure on the M41 but some tanks the track direction is not important. As long as they are the same direction most people will gloss right over it plus there is good chance at least one time Pvt Knucklehead and crew did put them on the wrong direction.

@Norm, good find on price, not sure of the detail but probable better then the kit tracks.

My shapeways products showed up Friday. Oh yeah!

Here is the new idler wheel next to the kit. If you order idler make sure you order two. That is price for one.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_15.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_15.jpg.html)

Blocking in the sprocket hole. I used .030 sheet styrene.  I did in in two parts to get the ridge detail and used a 0.6mm punch for the bolt. Not the best but under paint and sprocket it will provide the illusion I am looking for.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_16.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_16.jpg.html)

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_17.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_17.jpg.html)

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_18.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_18.jpg.html)

Up next is paint the driver station so I can install the glass and do a big mask and not a bunch of little ones. That is after I find the correct/close green paint. Also welds on the turret.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: NormSon on Mon 04/27/15 09:08 PM
Note regarding the idler; they were built both with the slotted idler and with a wheel with a tire. This is noted in the Squadron Walkaround. Kit has the wheel with the tire. But the slotted wheel sure looks spiffy.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 04/28/15 07:09 AM
Good info Norm. Here is an example that matches the kit. http://data.primeportal.net/tanks/bill_spidle/m41/images/m41_31_of_58.jpg

I decided to work on the hull welds. I used the AFV Club M41A3 kit hull as a guide for the weld lines. http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/afvclub/images/afv35041_lhull.jpg

The center weld wraps all the way around. http://data.primeportal.net/tanks/bill_spidle/m41/images/m41_30_of_58.jpg

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_19.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_19.jpg.html)

Working with Norm, I think the Archer arc weld beads looks better or closer then the perfect weld set. I had picked up set 88006 which is a hodgepodge of sizes.
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88006.html

I have the pieces trimmed out, the set gives you 6 lines of each sizes and this used 2 and 1/4 lines of the 0.25 size. I plan to use mostly 0.3 and some 0.4 on the turret. Hope to apply them all to the hull tonight.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_20.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_20.jpg.html)

I used my 3.5mm punch for the discs and 0.6mm punch for the bolts.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_21.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_21.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 04/29/15 07:44 AM
Moving along.....

Hull welds applied
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_22.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_22.jpg.html)

Added some strengthening straps on one side using 0.020" plastic rods from evergreen.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_23.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_23.jpg.html)

A little preview of the hull together
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_24.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_24.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L2 on Wed 04/29/15 08:53 AM
Looks great Ryan. I plan on starting mine today.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Wed 04/29/15 11:48 AM
Looks really good Ryan. Where are you getting your info for the front storage box? I have seen them straight up and down and angled on builds but can't get a good shot of a real vehicle.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 04/29/15 12:56 PM
Here is what I used and trying to recreate.

(http://data.primeportal.net/tanks/bill_spidle/m41/images/m41_30_of_58.jpg)

(http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/m41_09.jpg)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Mon 05/04/15 10:26 AM
Interesting top view of an actual M-41. I am opening the loaders hatch and adding an additional .30 pintel and moving the pintel for the .50 to the right of the TC.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Mon 05/04/15 11:15 AM
You go Jon. I have another photo of that monument if you need it. Still can't get a detail photo of the forward .50 post.

I think I might just move the mounting post but not install the post as from the photos many did not have the second post install.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Mon 05/04/15 02:21 PM
Here is what I have. Going to make some assumptions. Probably never did it but will look cool. .30 for the loader, .50 for the TC.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Fri 05/08/15 08:32 AM
Quote from: JonE on Mon 05/04/15 02:21 PM
Here is what I have. Going to make some assumptions. Probably never did it but will look cool. .30 for the loader, .50 for the TC.

I am sure it will, why not two .50's? I think the .30 was only for the coax of the the main gun for spotting. I don't think the M41 had a gun for the loader. I think both posts are for the TC's weapon for maybe spotting and AA. I think the loaders gun is really a M1 thing, none of the other tanks I can recall have a gun for him. For the most part he is over tasked as is for the M1. Loading main gun rounds, radios, gofer and spotting if not doing the other three jobs.


Finished up the other sides reinforcement brackets. Not happy with it but might do more damage to fix.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_25.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_25.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sat 05/09/15 09:29 PM
Looking a web sites and came across this pic - notice the following:

- angle on the muzzle brake - bad maintenance or running into a building?
- position of the TC M2 to the right of the cupola
- location of the front ID star - usually see these on the upper plate
- the 5 infantry helmets on the upper plate
- the personnel carrier in the background - don't remember the type, but I think it precedes the M113s

Can any one decipher the  number/code on the left (or right) fender?  I am interested to know the unit - photo looks like it was taken during one of the REFORGER exercises.

As for Loader weapons, when provided they always seem to be of smaller/lighter caliber than that of the TC - when mounted, the M1 loader weapon is an M60 while the TC has an M2.

This was copied from a website that was referencing the M41s in the German army in the 1950s (along with M47s)


Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Sat 05/09/15 10:14 PM
Someone is going to yelled at for that.

The vehicle is a M75.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 05/12/15 01:25 PM
Working on my sponson bottoms. My mold for whatever reason has this small jogs on both side.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_28.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_28.jpg.html)

I used hard stock that came with the Archer rivets to make a rough template
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_27.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_27.jpg.html)

Then added some tabs to the each side for support.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_30.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_30.jpg.html)

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_31.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_31.jpg.html)

Need a little touch up is still needed.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_32.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_32.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Wed 05/13/15 11:31 AM
Ryan you sound like a true tanker...lol. Too bad for the loader...we all have a full plate. Sorry, I was Infantry, suck it up. Yes, I know, "in real life..." but in my world it is going to be something more out of Hollywood or the comics. I like the look of the Korean War Chaffee with the face paint so that is what I am going for I think. A true test to my masking abilities for sure. M4 is Korea.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Wed 05/13/15 11:33 AM
Using the M48 (Vietnam) as inspiration as well. The M41 with the two .50 pintels is Spanish. That's a lot of firepower.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 05/13/15 12:55 PM
Quote from: JonE on Wed 05/13/15 11:31 AM
Ryan you sound like a true tanker...lol. Too bad for the loader...we all have a full plate. Sorry, I was Infantry, suck it up. Yes, I know, "in real life..." but in my world it is going to be something more out of Hollywood or the comics. I like the look of the Korean War Chaffee with the face paint so that is what I am going for I think. A true test to my masking abilities for sure. M4 is Korea.

I hear yeah, I say go for it.....but your thinking small (I know Army training Sir!, you can't help it  8) )....

M46 baby!
(http://imgick.pennlive.com/home/penn-media/width620/img/patriot-news/photo/2013/04/12514872-mmmain.jpg)

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/04/korean_war-era_tank_goes_on_di.html

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/74179-tiger-face-m46-patton/

Might even have some Dragon kit decals.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 05/14/15 06:01 AM
Anyone have the Small Shop Wrangler wire or similar tool I can borrow?

http://thesmallshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=20


Doh!!! I forgot I had this one or at least should still have it.....

http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21_100&products_id=3339

Now to find it. :dunce:


Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Thu 05/14/15 01:52 PM
Man, those Dutch don't thow anything out...
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 05/14/15 05:37 PM
Found the tool  :D

Going to use it to replicate the wire on the return roller.
(http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/azrael_raven/m41_walker_bulldog/images/m41_walker_bulldog_05_of_16.jpg)

Going to be using 0.032 bronze wire to bend it.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 05/14/15 08:02 PM
Used this video to use the UMM tool as it is similar and some tips.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MqCbHfW11KY

Bending some wire
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_33.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_33.jpg.html)

Drilled some holes then super glues them in.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_34.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_34.jpg.html)

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_35.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_35.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Fri 05/15/15 09:38 AM
Should have looked at the photo again before drilling and adding super glue, I have some rework needed.  :(
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: JonE on Fri 05/15/15 01:57 PM
"Reforger"? Mid 1950's West Germany. Chock blocks on front slope and tie-down cables for rail travel.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Fri 05/15/15 08:36 PM
As REFORGER (REturn of FORces to GERmany) did not start until 1969 this photo is of either a German panzer or USA armor unit (having trouble seining either the star or iron cross marking). 
The Bundeswehr panzer units were originally equipped with either M41s or M47s.  Other initial equipment (uniforms/weapons) also came from US Army sources.

As for saving things, we Scots are WELL known for salvaging and saving for future use.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Fri 05/15/15 09:21 PM
Jon,
Looks like the Danes and the Dutch put their heads together on the M41-DK1.  Look at the following websites for this vehicle.

http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/22-militaer-fahrzeuge/3477-m41-dk1-battle-tank-afv-club.html
http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=66&subcategory=250&product=2513

Do you want to try your talents to the Danish engineer M41? or the A3 version with the big IR spotlight?
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Mon 05/18/15 03:33 PM
Fixed my last mistake (not the last mistake I will make).....

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_39.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_39.jpg.html)

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/zky1812/Mobile%20Uploads/image_38.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/zky1812/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_38.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Wed 05/20/15 05:12 PM
Well, it's started.  Taking lessons from Ryan and adapting them.  LOL  I'll start to fill in the bottom side gaps tomorrow.  Making masks for the wheels.

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 05/20/15 05:33 PM
Go Bill Go. For the wheels, to each there own. I paint mine black first then using the circle template itself (tapering off holes nearby) I hold it over the wheel and spray green or color on each side.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Thu 05/21/15 06:58 AM
OK. I hadn't thought about using the template itself as a mask but that sounds like a better idea.
I Like It!
Thanks
Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 05/21/15 07:30 AM
Quote from: Bill L. on Thu 05/21/15 06:58 AM
OK. I hadn't thought about using the template itself as a mask but that sounds like a better idea.
I Like It!
Thanks
Bill L.

That's why yall keep me around right.....I have a good idea once in a while. A broke clock is usually right twice a day.....All kidding aside, it is a pain to cut circles, even when using a circle cutter and fresh sharp blade. 
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ronv on Fri 05/22/15 04:44 PM
Hey does anyone make conversion sets for the M41-DK1?
RonV
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sun 05/24/15 01:25 PM
Ron,
I have seen a Dutch (I think) kit on line.  Let me recheck - I will send website info.
Regards.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sun 05/24/15 01:43 PM
FOUND IT!
http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=66&subcategory=250&product=1832

Accurate-Armour

Kit #: C088  Danish M41 DK1 

Export Cost: £ 37.50  EU Cost: £ 45.00

37.50 GBP = 58.0838 USD

Regards.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Sun 05/24/15 03:48 PM
I would have to look, there are some US dealers for AA but won't be cheap either way.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sun 05/24/15 09:30 PM
Haven't seen any on line US dealers with this kit (Hobby Link Japan indicated it was out of stock) but found this conversation on Armorama

(http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=70249

Lots of pros & cons about the conversion kit, but nothing Ron could not handle.
Regards.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Mon 05/25/15 09:33 AM
Memorial Day build time: I got the putty to fill in the gaps from the sheet styrene in the holes for the motor. Wheels are blackened for the 'rubber' and I hope to have the OD  Green applied to the wheel hubs today if time permits. Kit main gun glued/drying.

Ryan - Which OD Green should I be using?  I have an idea but wanted confirmation.

Pictures: 1 - Just styrene in the gaps  2 - Putty over the styrene and wet sanded/polished.

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Mon 05/25/15 10:35 AM
Looking good Bill. I plan to use Tamiya XF-62. It's a WWII OD Green.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Mon 05/25/15 12:46 PM
So, not the Testors enamel OD Green # 1164 or FS34227 Pale (OD) Green??  The Tamyia XF-62 you reference is close to the color of the molded plastic.  The Testors reminds me more of the SEA color of the tanks
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Mon 05/25/15 01:19 PM
Ipms Stockholm says xf62 is 34086.

Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Sat 05/30/15 02:21 PM
This is my Saturday update.  Progress continues. Almost done with the hull, Starting to work on the turret.

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Sat 05/30/15 03:45 PM
Looking good Bill.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L2 on Sat 05/30/15 06:48 PM
Looks good
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Thu 06/18/15 02:00 PM
HAPPY FATHER's DAY to all you fathers in the club!!

Here is my latest update....  This baby is headed for the paint shack!!!  I'll detail the little items after I get the base coat on it.

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 06/18/15 03:26 PM
Same to you Bill.

I like the look so far. Need to get back on mine.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Sat 06/20/15 09:18 AM
Paint Shack complete!! Hopefully tonight I can start the detailing (headlights, tail lights, machine gun... etc).

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Sat 07/04/15 04:58 PM
Happy July 4th IPMS Eagle Squadron!

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Sat 07/04/15 08:57 PM
She sure looks pretty.

I need to upload the photos but put putty and half of the archer arc welds on the turret.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 07/07/15 10:25 AM
Finished up the putty work.
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Started apply the the welds. After a few attempts I thought I would let this dry before trying the longer sections.
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Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 07/07/15 06:51 PM
Looks good - you are more daring than me at the current time.  It will be interested in seeing it up close and after painting.

What is the blue rectangle at the loaders position - are you going to open this periscope?

Regards!
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 07/07/15 07:48 PM
You never know till you try. This build has helped me to try may things I have not before like my idea for the cupola periscopes. In the end probably should have done what Bill did.

Quote from: Herk on Tue 07/07/15 06:51 PM
What is the blue rectangle at the loaders position - are you going to open this periscope?

The blue tape is left over from masking for putty. I had not opened the periscope up...yet. I probably will when done with this step, that way it will be buttoned up and ready to rock and roll.

I added four more long strips of welds.
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The rest will be small sections to work around the curve as this limitation of the raised products. They can go up and down well just not left and right so much.
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Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 07/07/15 08:46 PM
I added the front hull lifting rings (omitted from the Kit) using round electric terminals with the wire tube section cut off.  Not too hard an addition.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 07/07/15 08:53 PM
Found out same when I put the non-skid on the fire truck tail board - went down great on the horizontal but refused that 90 degree turn down.

Here is additional photo of lifting rings.

Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Thu 07/09/15 09:15 AM
In order to get around the curve you need smaller pieces. Even these are a little to larger and I cut even smaller ones.
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The left side is done.
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Need to finish up the right side.
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Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Thu 07/09/15 08:24 PM
Looks good!  What you would think would be easy turns into something complicated.
Regards
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Fri 07/10/15 09:08 PM
For anyone wanting to have the gun shroud without all the hassle of Tamiya plastic bag and string approach, eBay has an AFV kit #35001 for sale for $8.95

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AFV-Club-1-35-AC35001-Gun-Shield-Cover-for-AFV-Club-M41-Walker-Bulldog-/141686332861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fd29ddbd

Regards

Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Fri 07/10/15 09:39 PM
To all,
Found this photo on-line tonight.  Note the size of the radio aerials - best viewed if you open the jpg file.  They look like the small ones on the Tamiya kit.  Would be interesting to compare this shot with an American M41 of the same time period.  Germans used the M41 from 1955 to 1965.
Regards
Steve


Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Mon 07/13/15 07:02 AM
Finally finished all the welds.
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Need to plot out the next course of what to paint first then start closing it up.

I think I might close the travel look to give a different look.
(http://qsl.net/wd4ngb/sw-korea00.jpg)

What are guys thoughts on the bore evacuator, the bulge at the end of the gun tube, black or something darker then OD green?

(http://qsl.net/wd4ngb/sw-korea03.jpg)
Here the second tank does looks darker also.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Sat 07/18/15 08:27 PM
Think I'm the first, but my club build M41 is DONE!!  The weathering is subtle and doesn't show up too well in my pictures, but you'll see it in Sept.  I'll post more pics in the COMPLETED forum.

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sun 07/19/15 10:13 AM
Bill,
Looks real nice - you do good "out of your box"!

Question - What did you use for your antennas?  They look good - do you have any photos specifically of them?  If not can you do one or two and post?  I am very interested to see a closer view.

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Sun 07/19/15 01:05 PM
Thanks for the kind words.

I might have mentioned this at the dinner (or not - don't remember) but I used 'Light' gauge guitar string (High 'E') from a broken set that I had to replace.  Glued them to the top of the existing 'nub' that Tamyia gives you in the kit.

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sun 07/19/15 07:23 PM
Bill,
Do you know the size on the string you used?  I have one that is .23mm diameter, the envelope says could be an E or G depending on tension.  How does this compare with yours?
Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Sun 07/19/15 09:49 PM
.23 is the G string from an Extra Light set of guitar strings.  I'm sure that will work fine, as long as you are happy with the outcome.

Bill
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Mon 07/20/15 10:02 AM
Bill,
What is the size difference between the Light and Extra Light strings.  If Extra Light is .23mm, what size is the Light string?  Trying to determine the difference and how they look on the subject.
Regards,
steve
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L. on Mon 07/20/15 01:37 PM
.01 !! For a 1/35 tank antenna, it really isn't much of a difference. For guitars, it's a big difference. :)

Bill L.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Mon 07/20/15 04:22 PM
:) !!
For you guitarists that .01 can make ALL the difference in the world!! 
Thanks for the clarification - helps me know what mine will look like.
Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sun 07/26/15 12:24 PM
Quote from: Herk on Fri 07/10/15 09:08 PM
For anyone wanting to have the gun shroud without all the hassle of Tamiya plastic bag and string approach, eBay has an AFV kit #35001 for sale for $8.95

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AFV-Club-1-35-AC35001-Gun-Shield-Cover-for-AFV-Club-M41-Walker-Bulldog-/141686332861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fd29ddbd

Regards

I received my AFV Gun Shield yesterday.  It looks like a nice mold of the gun mantel cover, but have discovered it is DEFINITELY made for their kit or the Skybow kit. The biggest problem is the cutout for the armored gunsight (on left of the gun mantel when viewed from front). The gun sight gets located in the upper left corner of the opening. Overall the shield seems to be shifted slightly to the left for the Tamiya kit.
If you can get by these issues and the assembly "fun" it is far better than the plastic bag idea (it DOES crumble with time [and attic heat!])) or is easier than the lead foil route.

To install, the kit gun mantel (Part B14) needs to be pressed into the cover while stretching the cover around the mantel. Attaching the back (Part B15) with the gun trunnons is easy, however the shield does cover the axial machine gun opening.  I would recommend inserting a section of rod (drilled out) to meet with the opening in the mantel and extend through the cover.  When inserting the barrel, it is VERY helpful (required)l to lubricate the barrel opening on the cover (this is a VERY tight fit!!)

Doing this as a retro fit is VERY difficult due to the very tight fit on both the mantel and the gun barrel. It may need the mantel lifting rings to be removed (even though there are pockets for the rings).  Still working on this.

Regards
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L2 on Sat 08/29/15 12:58 PM
Started to paint my Bulldog. Used Tamiya primer. Added some sandbags from Milliput and a scratchbuilt dustscreen and 50 cal shield. I am thinking of doing a winter "what if" scheme on the Bulldog like the one on the Chafee. I was going to start painting but when I went to get my airbrush ready I discovered I had left the top off the Iwata airbrush lube last time I cleaned it and the lube dried up. So I had to order some more from Amazon. Sprue Brothers was out of stock. Set me back a couple days.

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Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Sat 08/29/15 01:34 PM
Looking good Bill!
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Sat 08/29/15 02:38 PM
Bill,
Had this photo of a German M41 in the snow - thought it might help with a winter look.

Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ronv on Mon 08/31/15 09:08 PM
Hey does anyone know if all the Danish M41-DK's were upgunned or not? I copied this from armydetails.dk website that list the changes for the Danish version:

Danish Army Specific: 53 vehicles of the M41 Walker Bulldog was delivered as part of the MDAP program in 1962 to replace the M24 Chaffee and the M10 "Achilles". All were given a "mid-life update" by Falck Schmidt, Odense in 1969 - 1971 (turret, gun, engine and electric's) and again in 1985 - 1987 by DISA, Herlev (price of 7 mill. DKr. each) to DK1 standard.
Historical: Origin of the M41, initially known as the "light tank T37", began in 1949 to replace the M24 Chaffee. The M41 "Walker Bulldog" Tank was a light tank designed to be air-transportable and to provide mobile firepower in combat. The M41 was originally named "Little Bulldog" but was renamed in honour of Gen. W.W. Walker who was killed in a jeep accident in Korea in 1951.
The M41 was produced in the 1950´s by Cadillac´s Cleveland Tank Plant, Ohio, with first production models completed in 1951. By 1953 the M41 Bulldog had totally replaced the M24 Chaffee in the US Army, where it remained until the late 1960´s, when it was replaced by the M551Sheridan.
Also A1, A2 and A3 models were produced differing in gun control and fuel systems.
The chassis including drive train was shared with the M44 and M52 SPG´s and the M42 "Duster" SPAAG.
When production seized in 1954 a total of 3.729 units (M41 only) had been manufactured.
The M41 has been exported to Brazil (300), Chile (60), Denmark (53), Dominican Republic (12), Guatemala (10), Japan (150), Philippines, South Vietnam, Somalia (10), Taiwan (675), Thailand (200), Tunisia (10) and West Germany.
A Taiwanese upgrade is known as the M41D. This included a local manufactured 76 mm gun, diesel engine, reactive armour, laser rangefinder and a ballistics computer.
Length: 8.16 m (318 inches (including main armament)).
Width: 3.20 m (126 inches).
Height: 3.07 m (119 inches).
Weight: 23.495 kg (51.800 lb.).
Armour: 13 - 38 mm.
Engine: 6-cylinder Continental or Lycoming AOS-895-3, 14.669 cm3 (895 cubic inches) displacement, supercharged, air cooled.
Horsepower: 500 at 2.800 rpm.
Transmission: 2-range GM Allison CD 500-3 Cross-drive transmission with torque converter.
Transfer case: None.
Electrical system: 24 volt, negative ground.
Brakes: Mechanical, multiple disc.
Fording depth:
without preparation: 1.00 m (39 inches).
with deep water fording kit: N/A.
Fuel type: Petrol.
Fuel capacity: 530 liter (116 gallons).
Range: 160 km (100 miles).
Crew: 4.
Armament: Armed with a 76 mm gun M32, a 7.62 mm and a 12.7 mm (cal. .50) machine-gun. 65 rounds of 76 mm, 2.175 rounds of 12.7 mm and 5.000 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition were carried.
Additional: AEG-B30 IR-projector. Mounted with AN/GRC-7 or AN/GRC-8 radio.

So I wonder if I build an early Danish version all I need to do is leave the existing gun and add some side skirting??
RonV
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 09/01/15 08:16 AM
I would build to the photo at armydetails.dk that looks like the pre-69 rebuild maybe. 

Which would mean no gun change or skirt. No funky boxes either.


Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 09/01/15 09:22 AM
Ryan,
Are you sure of the web site - armydetails.dk?  I only bring up a book sellers web site.
Regards,
steve
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 09/01/15 09:40 AM
Quote from: Ronv on Mon 08/31/15 09:08 PM
Hey does anyone know if all the Danish M41-DK's were upgunned or not? I copied this from armydetails.dk website that list the changes for the Danish version:

Danish Army Specific: 53 vehicles of the M41 Walker Bulldog was delivered as part of the MDAP program in 1962 to replace the M24 Chaffee and the M10 "Achilles". All were given a "mid-life update" by Falck Schmidt, Odense in 1969 - 1971 (turret, gun, engine and electric's) and again in 1985 - 1987 by DISA, Herlev (price of 7 mill. DKr. each) to DK1 standard.
Historical: Origin of the M41, initially known as the "light tank T37", began in 1949 to replace the M24 Chaffee. The M41 "Walker Bulldog" Tank was a light tank designed to be air-transportable and to provide mobile firepower in combat. The M41 was originally named "Little Bulldog" but was renamed in honour of Gen. W.W. Walker who was killed in a jeep accident in Korea in 1951.
The M41 was produced in the 1950´s by Cadillac´s Cleveland Tank Plant, Ohio, with first production models completed in 1951. By 1953 the M41 Bulldog had totally replaced the M24 Chaffee in the US Army, where it remained until the late 1960´s, when it was replaced by the M551Sheridan.
Also A1, A2 and A3 models were produced differing in gun control and fuel systems.
The chassis including drive train was shared with the M44 and M52 SPG´s and the M42 "Duster" SPAAG.
When production seized in 1954 a total of 3.729 units (M41 only) had been manufactured.
The M41 has been exported to Brazil (300), Chile (60), Denmark (53), Dominican Republic (12), Guatemala (10), Japan (150), Philippines, South Vietnam, Somalia (10), Taiwan (675), Thailand (200), Tunisia (10) and West Germany.
A Taiwanese upgrade is known as the M41D. This included a local manufactured 76 mm gun, diesel engine, reactive armour, laser rangefinder and a ballistics computer.
Length: 8.16 m (318 inches (including main armament)).
Width: 3.20 m (126 inches).
Height: 3.07 m (119 inches).
Weight: 23.495 kg (51.800 lb.).
Armour: 13 - 38 mm.
Engine: 6-cylinder Continental or Lycoming AOS-895-3, 14.669 cm3 (895 cubic inches) displacement, supercharged, air cooled.
Horsepower: 500 at 2.800 rpm.
Transmission: 2-range GM Allison CD 500-3 Cross-drive transmission with torque converter.
Transfer case: None.
Electrical system: 24 volt, negative ground.
Brakes: Mechanical, multiple disc.
Fording depth:
without preparation: 1.00 m (39 inches).
with deep water fording kit: N/A.
Fuel type: Petrol.
Fuel capacity: 530 liter (116 gallons).
Range: 160 km (100 miles).
Crew: 4.
Armament: Armed with a 76 mm gun M32, a 7.62 mm and a 12.7 mm (cal. .50) machine-gun. 65 rounds of 76 mm, 2.175 rounds of 12.7 mm and 5.000 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition were carried.
Additional: AEG-B30 IR-projector. Mounted with AN/GRC-7 or AN/GRC-8 radio.

So I wonder if I build an early Danish version all I need to do is leave the existing gun and add some side skirting??
RonV


Ron,
This is from the Danish Army web page.  It seems to indicate no change in the main gun, however the photo shows the side skirts and the storage boxes on the turret.  Note the larger engine exhausts.

Here the DK1 version of the M41. The turret modification is clearly visible. The old gasoline engine was replaced by a new turbo-charged diesel powerpack (Cummins VTA-903TR developing 465 hp at 2.800 rpm). The 76 mm gun remained, but a new type of high performance anti-tank round (APFSDS from AAI International) was bought.
Other improvements includes an NBC system, thermal night vision system (Jahn Anderson) with integrated laser rangefinder (Ericsson Radio Systems), night vision periscope (Texas Instruments) as well as Halogen searchlight mounted on the gun mantlet. The fire control system was made by AEG Telefunken using American, Danish and German components.
Wegmann smoke dischargers were added to the turret. Fire suppression is handled by a system from Graviner (Firewire).
Note the Leopard 1-like side skirt.
Fuel capacity was increased to 930 liters (204 gallons) and range to 750 km (468 miles).
17 tanks were cannibalized in 1997 to keep the remaining 36 tanks running.
The M41 DK1 was demobbed in 1998 - 1999. One went to the Armor Museum at the Army Combat School in Oksboel Base Training Area, some are used for target practice and the remainder have been scrapped.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 09/01/15 02:55 PM
Quote from: Herk on Tue 09/01/15 09:22 AM
Ryan,
Are you sure of the web site - armydetails.dk?  I only bring up a book sellers web site.
Regards,
steve
I just copied what Ron had but it's the same site

http://www.armyvehicles.dk/m41.htm

Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ryan K on Tue 09/01/15 03:14 PM
It looks like the Dutch had 3 versions:

M41 1962-1969
M41-DK 1969-1985
M41-DK1 1985-End use

(http://www.armyvehicles.dk/images/m41_1.jpg)
I think that pic is one of the pre-85 versions.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 09/01/15 06:24 PM
This looks like the German M41G according to the research I did on my build.  The addition of the "German lighting and the smoke launchers" to the M41A3 brought it to the M41G standard.

According to the online Tank Encyclopedia:
- The M41A1 was the first production variant, in 1954. The electric traverse system was replaced by an hydraulic traverse, the extra room allowed to increase the ammunition storage from 57 to 65 rounds.
- The M41A2 appeared in 1956, with an engine upgrade, the fuel injected Continental AOS 895-3 replacing the ancient carburetor fuel system.
- The M41A3 were upgraded M41/M41A1 to the new fuel injection system.
- The West German tanks were upgraded in the late 1970s with a new Cummin engine s ATV-903TR of 465 hp diesel engine and upgraded main gun to fire AFPDS ammo.
- The last Danish tanks were retired in 1998. They had been upgraded as the M41 DK-1 which included a complete overhaul: New engine, thermal sights for the gunner and commander, complete NBC protection lining and anti-SPG side skirts.

Attached are images of the USA M41A3 versions - they all seem to have the big search light that was prominent on the Vietnam era M60.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ronv on Tue 09/01/15 07:36 PM
Ok I think I will do the Pre-69 Danish or Dutch version. No upgunning or funky boxes. So all I need to do is match color and vehicle markings. Cool deal!
RonV
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Tue 09/01/15 08:22 PM
According to Tank Encyclopedia, the M41 was largely distributed among allied nations inside NATO, namely:
Austria (42 used from 1960 to 1979),
Belgium (135 used from 1958 to 1974),
Denmark (53 M41DK [not the DK1] used from 1953 to 1998),
Spain
West Germany (350)

Here are a couple of interesting photos of M41s you might want to consider, first is from New Zealand (very interesting color scheme) and a M41DK1 - I would think the Danes used this scheme on more than just the DK's.
Regards
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L2 on Wed 09/02/15 02:51 PM
Update on the M 41 group build. Painted the M 41. I am going to use this weathering set on the tank. I am not sure about the winter scheme as of yet.

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Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Wed 09/02/15 06:51 PM
Bill,
Your mantlet cover looks real good!  What did you use - tissue or lead foil?

For the rivet counters, you might want to check the number of clamps you have, I think you might be short a couple.  Here are some photos I have - the tank doesn't have the cover, but the clamps are there.

Look forward to seeing it at the Sept meeting!

Regards
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Bill L2 on Thu 09/03/15 07:11 AM
Quote from: Herk on Wed 09/02/15 06:51 PM
Bill,
Your mantlet cover looks real good!  What did you use - tissue or lead foil?

For the rivet counters, you might want to check the number of clamps you have, I think you might be short a couple.  Here are some photos I have - the tank doesn't have the cover, but the clamps are there.

Look forward to seeing it at the Sept meeting!

Regards

Thanks Herk. I will go back and add some more. I was just doing guess work. I should have checked a reference picture. I'm terrible at doing research. I used tissue paper and white glue with water for the dust cover. The straps are just some masking tape. Still not sure if I will leave it green or do a what if winter scheme.
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Ronv on Fri 09/04/15 12:37 PM
I asked a decal maker in Holland if they had M41 decals. He said that the Dutch never used the M41, they used they M24 Chaffee instead. (They are creating a decal sheet for the M24 but it is still weeks away from completion so a What If is out of the question). I also read the details from the Danish army site more closely and it said that Holland was not a user of the M41. So I guess I am back to marking the build as either a Danish M41 or use the kit decals and build an US or Japanese version.

Any ideas/suggestions??

Thanks
RonV
Title: Re: Club build - Tamiya M41
Post by: Herk on Fri 09/04/15 12:49 PM
I would suggest a Danish M41 using the black and dark green camo scheme like the DK1 had.  Considering photos of the current Leopard 2's (see attached) show the tanks with and without the small Danish shield.  You could do your build with or without the shield.  Considering where the shield is on the Leopard, I would recommend putting the shield in a similar position.  Addition of the antenna pennant would be very eye catching.
Regards!