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Title: Italeri A-10
Post by: Joe M on Tue 06/21/11 08:44 PM
Here are a some shots of the latest airplane I've been working on. The kit is pretty much standard fare for Italeri. For this one, it has an Aries cockpit and an Eduard external detail set. I also bout some correction intakes from a guy in CA. The stores are not standard as I wanted to load it out for a ground attack sortie. I'm still in the process of scratch building (from resin copies of MER's) the TER's to mount a set of Mk 82's that I took from another kit.

Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Bill L2 on Wed 06/22/11 05:40 PM
Looks nice Joe. How do you like the Italeri kit? I have built the Revell and Hobby Boss kit, but not the Italeri. I like the way it looks. What color scheme is that? I like the shark mouth ;D

I am in a drought right now :-\ Dont feel like building much. Maybe its the hot weather.
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Ryan K on Wed 06/22/11 07:07 PM
Quote from: Bill L2 on Wed 06/22/11 05:40 PM
Looks nice Joe. How do you like the Italeri kit? I have built the Revell and Hobby Boss kit, but not the Italeri. I like the way it looks. What color scheme is that? I like the shark mouth ;D

I am in a drought right now :-\ Dont feel like building much. Maybe its the hot weather.

It's cause you want to build things with wings and not tracks.....jest saying.... 8)
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Bill L2 on Wed 06/22/11 07:33 PM
Quote from: Ryan K on Wed 06/22/11 07:07 PM
Quote from: Bill L2 on Wed 06/22/11 05:40 PM
Looks nice Joe. How do you like the Italeri kit? I have built the Revell and Hobby Boss kit, but not the Italeri. I like the way it looks. What color scheme is that? I like the shark mouth ;D

I am in a drought right now :-\ Dont feel like building much. Maybe its the hot weather.

It's cause you want to build things with wings and not tracks.....jest saying.... 8)

Well my last build was a tank ;D By the way Ryan I tore that box off the turret and I am painting the gun ring. Hope to have it finished soon.
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Lee_K on Wed 06/22/11 10:22 PM
Good looking Warthog, Joe.  Those colors are unusual for an A10 -- is that a special camouflage scheme?

Lee K
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Joe M on Thu 06/23/11 07:27 AM
Tanks - A-10's - all the same, just one flies....

The colors used to be pretty standard for A-10's, when everyone thought they would be fighting over the fields of Europe, up until just after Desert Storm when they changed to the grey over grey scheme. When I used to watch them doing touch and goes and see them flying around Myrtle, this is how I remember them, not grey. I think I may have mixed the grey in the camouflage little too light, but it should darken up on weathering.
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Lee_K on Thu 06/23/11 09:51 AM
The Euro I camouflage for A-10s was two greens (Medium Green FS 34102 and Euro I Green FS 34092) with a dark gray (Euro I Gray FS 36081).  The dark gray is quite dark, and the Euro I green has a distinctively blue-green shade to it.

(http://www.moorewallpaper.com/Airshow-USAF-19.jpg)

(http://www.williamstownfd.com/images/A10.jpg)

Please forgive me -- I'm NOT trying to come across as a Color Bully.  I was just struck at the differences in tonal variations in your model and wondered if it was a special, one-off scheme as A-10s often have (Lizard, Peanut, Snow Hog, etc).  I've studied A-10s a lot, planning to build the giant Trumpeter kit before giving up in disgust after I realized how much work was necessary to correct all of Trumpeter's outrageous mistakes.   I agree with you the gray of your model is too light.  A darkening in the weathering process would help.  The Dark Green is going to have to stay the way it is and honestly -- 99% of the world won't even notice.

And lastly -- I've messed up the Euro I camo several times before myself.  I painted an ESCI A-10 in the wrong green (used TAC Green FS34079 instead of the proper Medium Green FS34102), so I'm quite sensitive to its nuances.  I also painted an F-4E Phantom in the Euro I scheme and tore my hair out (what little of it was left) when I couldn't make the painting schematic match what I saw in photographs.  What I eventually discovered is that the Air Force T.O. 1-1-4 technical order is wrong!  I had to repaint the whole model and burn through another half bottle of paint to get it right.  Grrrrr

Lee K
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Joe M on Thu 06/23/11 06:25 PM
Hi Lee,

I don't mind the critique at all (as long as its meant to be constructive, and I'm sure it was!)... and appreciate the questions... I would have liked to have done one of the special one-offs, but didn't invest in the decals for them and my kids really like "shark mouthed" planes, so I stuck with the kit supplied decals.

Regarding the colors, I'm struck at the differences in hues that are present in the two photos you present (I really like the second one!). The dark green in the first photo has a definite blue tint to it and is lighter in shade when compared to the second photo and the gray in the first photo is lighter than that in the second photo. Which are correct? To be honest, in person, when I compare my model to the photos on the screen,  the actual colors on my model look more similar to the colors in the second photo that you provided than the colors that are in my photos of the actual model - I chalk the differences up to probably a matter of lighting or perspective.

All that said, since I'm inclined to not be overly concerned about accuracy (following Mike Ashey's axiams... http://mikeashey.com/PROJECTS-INDEX-PAGE.htm (http://mikeashey.com/PROJECTS-INDEX-PAGE.htm) - hey, this is starting to get religious :D), I'm probably not as sensitive to differences in colors' hues, shades, etc. as some might be.

For me, there's not all that much fun in worrying over accuracy, I would rather be at the bench building and practicing techniques... whether the model is 95 or 99% accurate doesn't matter to me (of course my own humble opinion). I can and do appreciate the folks who find accuracy important, but their motivations for modeling are probably different than mine.

So, all in all, - NO SWEAT, and thanks for your comments! It all part of what makes this hobby fun!
Joe
Title: Re: Italeri A-10
Post by: Lee_K on Thu 06/23/11 11:39 PM
Quote from: Joe M on Thu 06/23/11 06:25 PM

Regarding the colors, I'm struck at the differences in hues that are present in the two photos you present (I really like the second one!). The dark green in the first photo has a definite blue tint to it and is lighter in shade when compared to the second photo and the gray in the first photo is lighter than that in the second photo. Which are correct?

Thanks Joe, I'm glad that I didn't offend.  Color photos on the web for Euro I Warthogs are relatively rare.  The first photo shows the right greens, but it looks like it might be a museum aircraft that they painted with Gunship Gray FS36118 instead of the proper Euro gray FS36081, which is quite a bit darker.  In fact, most model paint references match up RLM 66 with Euro Gray.  In the second photo, it looks like all the colors were brightened unnaturally in Photoshop.  Here's the best photo I can find of what look like the true colors:

(http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/NewEnglandAirMuseum/RepublicA10ThunderboltII/images/01RepublicA10ThunderboltII.jpg)

As you can see, the gray is quite dark, the Euro I Green is quite bluish, and the Medium Green is quite green.

Lee K